A question for Vegetarians

joec · Mar 10, 2009

Well first let me make it clear I'm a omnivore personally and don't have no urge to change my habits. I'm curious though as I've seen the terms such as vegetarians, vegans etc and would like to know the differences. I really don't understand the terms used. Thanks.

PanchoHambre · Mar 10, 2009

Vegans eat no animal product whatsoever... no dairy no eggs, no gelatin (usually will not use any animal tested products either)

People who identify only as Vegetarians usually do eat dairy and/or eggs

Calicolady · Mar 10, 2009

And I've known some who also eat fish. Just not warm blooded critters.

PanchoHambre · Mar 10, 2009

Calicolady said:
And I've known some who also eat fish. Just not warm blooded critters.

& that is where the semantics get touchy LOL!

BamsBBQ · Mar 10, 2009

Calicolady said:
And I've known some who also eat fish. Just not warm blooded critters.

i am not trying to start anything, but what you just said has always been on my mind about vegetarians.

what does it matter if they are warm blooded? a cold blooded animal/creature still has the same body parts, same organs, i am just confused is all... :sorry:

Adillo303 · Mar 10, 2009

Anima tested products are another. I believe that you will find that the FDA does not allow cosmetics to be released without animal testing first. So they hire it done and say "they did no animal testing".

Andy C

Sass Muffin · Mar 10, 2009

Calicolady said:
And I've known some who also eat fish. Just not warm blooded critters.

I eat fish occasionally.

PanchoHambre · Mar 10, 2009

BamsBBQ said:
i am not trying to start anything, but what you just said has always been on my mind about vegetarians.

what does it matter if they are warm blooded? a cold blooded animal/creature still has the same body parts, same organs, i am just confused is all...

IMHO if you eat fish you are not strictly speaking a vegetarian not that I care.. I have seen people get all touchy about this though on both sides

Adillo303 said:
Anima tested products are another. I believe that you will find that the FDA does not allow cosmetics to be released without animal testing first. So they hire it done and say "they did no animal testing".

Andy C

from the looks of em the crunchy vegan girls in my hood don't use cosmetics... or bathe much for that matter

I have alot of vegetarians in my circle... thing is they all are vegetarian/vegan for different reasons so they draw the line in different places. For some its a social/environmental choice, for some about animal rights, for others religion and others just simple diet preference.

Sass Muffin · Mar 10, 2009

PanchoHambre said:
I have alot of vegetarians in my circle... thing is they all are vegetarian/vegan for different reasons so they draw the line in different places. For some its a social/environmental choice, for some about animal rights, for others religion and others just simple diet preference.

I made the choice when I was in my mid 30s, strictly for health reasons-not all that animal rights jazz, tho I do love animals very much. :wub:

BamsBBQ · Mar 10, 2009

i am in no means trying to start a controversey here.. that being said i am still somewhat confused(not that it takes much to do that..lmao)

Mrs.Bam always tells me she is going to become a vegetarian again, then i throw a rack of babybacks on the smoker and that squashes that conversation..lmao :yum:

Calicolady · Mar 10, 2009

I don't know why. Give up bacon? I'd rather give you my teeth!
Well, maybe only 1/2 them.
I've been watching Gweneth Paltro with Mario touring Spain on PBS on Saturdays. She calls herself a vegetarian too. But eats all the fish she can get her hands on. I don't know if she'd eat dolphin or whale though.

Mama · Mar 10, 2009

Maybe this will help: Vegetarianism

PanchoHambre · Mar 10, 2009

The most compelling arguments I have heard in favor of Vegetarianism are environmental. While these have not compelled me to give up meat it has lead me to think about using meat more sparingly... treating it as something special to be used in moderation.

I do definitely make many meals that do not involve meat and more that stretch a small amount of meat.

I have been thinking lately about putting a bit more effort behind this way of thinking. Both for personal philosophical reasons and to see if It helps me stretch a buck and increase the healthfulness of my diet at the same time.

Fisher's Mom · Mar 10, 2009

PanchoHambre said:
The most compelling arguments I have heard in favor of Vegetarianism are environmental. While these have not compelled me to give up meat it has lead me to think about using meat more sparingly... treating it as something special to be used in moderation.

I do definitely make many meals that do not involve meat and more that stretch a small amount of meat.

I have been thinking lately about putting a bit more effort behind this way of thinking. Both for personal philosophical reasons and to see if It helps me stretch a buck and increase the healthfulness of my diet at the same time.

Me too, Pancho. We eat meat maybe 3 meals a week but we really enjoy it when we do. It's definitely more economical and I think it helps keep our cholesterol down.

joec · Mar 10, 2009

I probably eat meat with almost every meal but not very much of it. Oh and I consider sea food a meat too as well as eggs, cheese etc.

PieSusan · May 4, 2009

Some vegans won't use white sugar either because the process in which the sugar is filtered uses animal bones. Living a vegan lifestyle can also lead to green cleaning products, natural fibers and no use of leather products or other animal products in the making of clothes. Some won't use synthetic dyes either. I know this because I have a vegan in my family and she can be difficult to shop for.

joec · May 4, 2009

PieSusan said:
Some vegans won't use white sugar either because the process in which the sugar is filtered uses animal bones. Living a vegan lifestyle can also lead to green cleaning products, natural fibers and no use of leather products or other animal products in the making of clothes. Some won't use synthetic dyes either. I know this because I have a vegan in my family and she can be difficult to shop for.

It is funny to me that you should mention some of the vegan's rules. I used to work for a woman that wouldn't buy anything made with animal period including cosmetics (animal testing). Now that is till it came to her car and home furniture, it had to be leather, but she would give you hell for leather shoes or belts. Strange belief system to me. :dizzy:

FryBoy · May 4, 2009

I'm a meat eater, too, but I like some vegetarian dishes simply because they're very good. I don't think a meal has to have meat in it, although I know a couple of pseudo-macho guys who feel that way.

I consider dishes with eggs, cheese, and other dairy products to be "vegetarian," but it makes no sense to me to include fish in that category. However, I don't criticize anyone who wants to eliminate all animal products from their diet. I like some dishes that would qualify as vegan, but I'm not persuaded that eggs and so forth are evil.

What do I consider good? Check any of the several recipes I posted on this thread -- I'll bet just about anyone would agree: http://netcookingtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=83081&posted=1#post83081

VeraBlue · May 4, 2009

A vegetarian will eat no flesh of another living creature. Some pin it down by saying they'll eat nothing that had a mother or drinks from it's mother.

A vegan will eat no animal products at all. If it had anything to do with a living creature they want no part of it.

Ovo lacto vegetarian will eat eggs and dairy products (cheese, butter, milk)

Lacto will eat dairy products because it's not necessary for the animal to die in order to get the dairy product.

There is also a strain of vegetarian that will eat fish...but frankly, in my opinion, those are just people who eat vegetables and fish. Most vegetarians don't care for the fish eaters calling themselves vegetarians who eat fish.

joec · May 4, 2009

I have no problem with none meat meals but not every day. I'm pretty much a omnivore always have been. Plants are living things too unless I was misinformed in basic biology in school.

VeraBlue · May 4, 2009

joec said:
I have no problem with none meat meals but not every day. I'm pretty much a omnivore always have been. Plants are living things too unless I was misinformed in basic biology in school.

Sure, plants are living things...but you cannot actually have a relationship with a geranium. A vegetarian's argument is that the animal has feelings, feels pain, and forms social bonds.

joec · May 4, 2009

VeraBlue said:
Sure, plants are living things...but you cannot actually have a relationship with a geranium. A vegetarian's argument is that the animal has feelings, feels pain, and forms social bonds.

Yes and for centuries man kind thought the same about most animals too. I think we should get some research on plants to prove that theory. :wink:

RobsanX · May 4, 2009

Nope!
No, no way!
Uh-Uh!
Forget it!

If God didn't want us eating animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat!

PieSusan · May 4, 2009

VeraBlue said:
Sure, plants are living things...but you cannot actually have a relationship with a geranium. A vegetarian's argument is that the animal has feelings, feels pain, and forms social bonds.

Hey, I talk to my plants all the time. It is suppose to help them grow. (lol--they like big band era music and jazz as well)

joec · May 4, 2009

Besides bumble bees as well as other insects for relationships with plants don't they.

Sass Muffin · May 4, 2009

I eat a lot of things, and attempt to keep it healthy.
Mostly I follow a vegetarian diet, because I cannot live without eggs and cheese.
I hate milk, always have. ickkk!
I go vegan when I want to lose 5 or so pounds and it works quickly.
Lately I've been falling off the wagon, damn you people and your glorious recipes!
hrrrrrrmmmmmpphhhh!
PS- LOVE fish and seafood!
Had the Deluxe at Captain D's for din din.. yum!
lol

lifesaver91958 · May 9, 2009

interesting information. thanks for sharing.

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