But he certainly has a contingent (flock) that will blindly follow him wherever he leads.Like I said, I'm not gonna follow the man off a cliff.
But he certainly has a contingent (flock) that will blindly follow him wherever he leads.Like I said, I'm not gonna follow the man off a cliff.
Ah, 7 years of war at about a billion dollars a week on it and that got us what, never mind the lives lost in this? All I can see is us on the edge of an economic collapse, the other side really has no solutions except to give more tax cuts to the rich. Oh well I can at least say that I seem to be in the majority for a change. If it works my new motto will become Spend Baby Spend.
Ah, 7 years of war at about a billion dollars a week on it and that got us what, never mind the lives lost in this? All I can see is us on the edge of an economic collapse, the other side really has no solutions except to give more tax cuts to the rich. Oh well I can at least say that I seem to be in the majority for a change. If it works my new motto will become Spend Baby Spend.
Doesn't that tell you that "Spend Baby Spend" isn't the answer?
They don't even know what they're spending our money on. If they just want to spend money, give it back to the people who gave it to them...and we'll spend it.
I'm not sure how much better I could do. When Bush's stimulus checks came, all I did was stimulate Wal-Mart and Home Depot!
I'm not sure how much better I could do. When Bush's stimulus checks came, all I did was stimulate Wal-Mart and Home Depot!
Doesn't that tell you that "Spend Baby Spend" isn't the answer?
They don't even know what they're spending our money on. If they just want to spend money, give it back to the people who gave it to them...and we'll spend it.
How many of you have actually read the final copy of the bill or even bothered to find it or even read part of it or even know its name?
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c111:8:./temp/~c111wOdJ8O::
You all have your opinions but I bet not one of you have read the bill or even part of it. In fact, the congressmen haven't read the bill in its entirety. They have staffs that tell them what is in the bill.
So, I agree Keltin.
"The recipe for perpetual ignorance is: Be satisfied with your opinions and content with your knowledge." --Elbert Hubbard
Don't be bothered to learn the facts for yourselves. Don't bother to look at the amendments that have subsequently been added.
I mean why should you bother? Just listen to your favorite pundits and they will feed you what they want you to know. Left or Right, both sides are guilty of the same thing.
And like I said before, the only difference between the parties is what they spend our money on.
No need to go to the free government website and read the legislation for yourself.
How long did it take me to find it? About 5 seconds.
But seriously, I'm sure you put some thought into it and spent it in a way that improved your quality of life...unless of course you ran out to Lefty's bar and bought everyone drinks...in which case, Lefty is doing pretty well but you're screwed.
As a matter of fact, if the rich paid their fair share of taxes -- percentage wise, the big deficit debate might be called the little deficit debate.
But I guess it is safer for the rich to pillary Obama than take the chance they might have to pay their FAIR share for a change.
Prove that the rich do not pay their <fair> share. The IRS would love to know who that is. In fact, they will even pay YOU a reward if you can find them. You made the claim, now prove it. And once you do, make sure you contact the IRS so you can claim your reward.
I suspect the "rich" are very careful with their tax returns - they have alot more to loose.
I wonder how many middle income people, you know, those that pay some amount of tax, actually pay their fair share. I am sure there's no cheating going on by them.
this thread is quickly becoming inflamitory.first class warfare, next race warefare ?
The money the government is spending is primarily from middle to lower class workers. The rich and the upper middle class rarely pay taxes and when they do, it is at a much reduced rate.
Maybe it is time that taxes are assessed based on percentage of actual income -- not adjusted income.
And war is a very profitable enterprise for the rich -- why do you think we have so many wars. The owners of not only military weapons plants, but transportation executives, clothing manufacturers, equipment producers, ammo producers, and tons of other types of business literally make a fortune during war time.
If they did not make money having wars, you can bet the big businessmen would not encourage it!
How many of you have actually read the final copy of the bill or even bothered to find it or even read part of it or even know its name?
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c111:8:./temp/~c111wOdJ8O::
You all have your opinions but I bet not one of you have read the bill or even part of it. In fact, the congressmen haven't read the bill in its entirety. They have staffs that tell them what is in the bill.
So, I agree Keltin.
"The recipe for perpetual ignorance is: Be satisfied with your opinions and content with your knowledge." --Elbert Hubbard
Don't be bothered to learn the facts for yourselves. Don't bother to look at the amendments that have subsequently been added.
I mean why should you bother? Just listen to your favorite pundits and they will feed you what they want you to know. Left or Right, both sides are guilty of the same thing.
And like I said before, the only difference between the parties is what they spend our money on.
No need to go to the free government website and read the legislation for yourself.
How long did it take me to find it? About 5 seconds.
How is asking folks if they know what is in the bill that Congress passed inflammatory class warefare? And you are the first person to mention race.
Do you think your little emoticon allows you to hide from that fact?
How is asking folks if they know what is in the bill that Congress passed inflammatory class warefare? And you are the first person to mention race.
Do you think your little emoticon allows you to hide from that fact?
The money the government is spending is primarily from middle to lower class workers. The rich and the upper middle class rarely pay taxes and when they do, it is at a much reduced rate.
Maybe it is time that taxes are assessed based on percentage of actual income -- not adjusted income.
And war is a very profitable enterprise for the rich -- why do you think we have so many wars. The owners of not only military weapons plants, but transportation executives, clothing manufacturers, equipment producers, ammo producers, and tons of other types of business literally make a fortune during war time.
If they did not make money having wars, you can bet the big businessmen would not encourage it!
This from the Office of Tax Analysis at the IRS:
"In 2002 the latest year of available data, the top 5 percent of taxpayers paid more than one-half (53.8 percent) of all individual income taxes, but reported roughly one-third (30.6 percent) of income."
"The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid 33.7 percent of all individual income taxes in 2002. This group of taxpayers has paid more than 30 percent of individual income taxes since 1995. Moreover, since 1990 this group’s tax share has grown faster than their income share."
"Taxpayers who rank in the top 50 percent of taxpayers by income pay virtually all individual income taxes. In all years since 1990, taxpayers in this group have paid over 94 percent of all individual income taxes. In 2000, 2001, and 2002, this group paid over 96 percent of the total."
Let's see some democracy in action, right now.
I vote we close this thread immediately. It's just not right here.
Any other votes? I say close it......Yay....Nay????
Mods, can you help?